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I've recently come across the Andromeda paradox and for what is my understanding if two observer, A and B, have different relative velocity (let's say A is stationary and B is moving at 5 m/s) then even if they are at the same spot at the same time, they would see two different events happening on Andromeda (depending if B is moving towards or away from the galaxy it would see events happening before or after the one seen by A).

But what happens if B, when reaches the spot where A is, comes to a sudden stop (so the observers have the same velocity, both stationary)? They should see the same event but this mean that what B sees on Andromeda should go slower (or faster) in order to synchronize with the event seen by A?

I'm not a physicist and so I don't know if this question even makes sense or if there is a simple explanation I haven't thought about.

Pietro
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  1. If observers A and B are in the same place at the same time, they will see the same things, including (if their eyesight is good enough) the same event that happened on Andromeda a very long time ago.

  2. Once they see those events, observers A and B will be able to calculate the time at which that event took place.

  3. If, in addition to being at the same place at the same time, A and B are in motion with respect to each other, then the results of their calculations will be different. They see the same event, but calculate that it happened at two different times.

  4. If B comes to a sudden "stop" so that he is now stationary with respect to A, he will recalculate and will now agree with A's calculation.

  5. This is less remarkable than it sounds. If you and I are at the same place at the same time, passing each other in our cars driving in different directions, you might calculate that New York is 100 miles ahead of us while I calculate that it's 100 miles behind us. But if you make a sudden U-turn, you will recalculate and agree that New York is behind us after all.

  6. That's not just some vague analogy; it's a very precise analogy. Making a U-turn means facing a new direction in space. Changing your speed (e.g. coming to a stop with respect to A) means facing a new direction in spacetime. (I realize that probably sounds mysterious; learning relativity largely consists of stripping away that mystery.) There is nothing new about the fact that when you face a new direction, your calculations of where things are can change. In spacetime, "when" is part of "where", so your calculations of when things happened can change as well.

WillO
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What observers see optically with their eyes or with their optical instruments is not the main point of the Andromeda paradox at all.

The point to be understood is more along these lines: suppose you set up synchronized clocks all the way to Andromeda. Let's say for neatness you don't want it to be a long line of clocks, so set them in concentric circles of increasing radius $r$, from $r=0$ to $r=\infty$ (or just to a very distant $r=R_{\text{max}}$). All these clocks are stationary with respect to you.

Now suppose you actually do optically look at these concentric rings of stationary clocks, what do you see? Neglecting gravitational effects (we're talking SR only), the time it takes light to reach you from a clock sitting stationary at $r$ is $r/c$. Therefore you can tell yourself, "oh, all these distant clocks look more and more delayed relative to the ones that are closer. But that's okay, it's just that the light that left a clock sitting at $r$ is delayed by $r/c$. So, I'll just add $r/c$ depending on each clock's $r$ distance and that will allow me to verify, by comparing with my own local clock, that all of the clocks in my reference frame, are properly synchronized, i.e. that $t_{\text{local}}=t_{\text{r}}+r/c$, where $t_r$ is the time reading as received from a clock at a distance $r$.".

Now, having done that, how do you assign times to distant events? Easy! When an event happens some $r$ distance away, just look at the reading of the clock that's co-located with that event at $r$. The reading of this clock will ride essentially on the same light front as the event itself. No need to correct for the speed of light this time, because by construction we now know that 1. all our clocks are synchronized, and 2. the event and the light front carrying the reading of the clock occurred at the same spacetime point, and they both arrive to the same spacetime point where you're located.

So now after having done all that, you're basically set up with the necessary apparatus that constitutes an inertial reference frame, which you can already see involves more than just what you optically perceive. It allows you to assign times for distant events. Essentially, we have defined a notion of simultaneity for our inertial reference frame.

Now here's the real crux of the issue: you're inertial. Being inertial means being non-special, ergo, every inertial observer moving relative to you must be able to carry out the above procedure, and their results are completely valid in their reference frame. That's a key point: there really is no absolute meaning to simultaneity, and this is a direct consequence of the non-existence of any preferred reference frame.

But now to see a bit how that plays out, let's have a second inertial observer, moving relative to you, carry out the same procedure outlined above.

When you look at their concentric clock rings, you see that they don't agree with your clocks. What you see in fact, is that the other observers' clocks that are to their rear ("rear" - relative to their direction of motion) seem to be ahead of the clocks that are to their front (you'll also see that the circles of clocks are somewhat squished in their direction of motion, but that's a less important effect here). It has to be that way if you put a little thought into it: the observer moving relative to you is rushing towards the light signals coming from the clocks to their front, and "escaping" the ones coming from the clocks to their rear. So when they add their $r'/c$ value, for example to a rear clock to verify it is synchronized with their local clock, it seems they're adding a value that's "too small" because the actual distance light had to travel, according to you is larger than $r'$, so this is compensated by the fact that rear clocks are ahead. In other words, the $r'$ that the other observer uses is "too small" but the received time $t'_{r'}$ from a clock they see is "too big" (ahead), so the two effects compensate and the other observer hence always determines their clocks to be in synchrony, by comparing $t'_{r'}+r'/c$ to their local clock like you did.

For emphasis, the above analysis is all done according to what you see and measure the other observer is doing. The other inertial observer always sees that their concentric clocks are perfectly synchronized, and instead sees that your clocks are "out of whack" in a precisely symmetric manner.

So I hope all the above explains what we're talking about when we say that "observers" can be at the same place and yet assign different times to the same events. Now if you got all that, answering what happens when one observer suddenly comes to a stop is very simple: they are just "adopting" the measurements that were already done in the other frame. They discover that this is the only, or at least quickest way to set up a new reference frame, because now that they changed their velocity, the previous concentric clocks can no longer serve them: they will indeed see also that the "old clocks" that are all on the same $r=R$ are not synchronized. They can either synchronize them, or just adopt the other frames' clocks, which amounts to the same thing practically (and mathematically).

Why did it happen that when they came to a stop, suddenly their own clocks appear to be not synchronized properly? Very simple: recall that the initial synchronization procedure was done in a different inertial reference frame! So this is nothing else but what we've already explained: seeing their own "old clocks" being out of sync, is due to precisely the same reasons as seeing another inertial observers' clocks, moving relative to them, as out of sync. So nothing new has happened here.

Now in there lies another question you may ask yourself: how would one inertial observer measure the events involved in another inertial observer's synchronization procedure? I'll let you work out that one for yourself! It can be a great application of the principles I've tried to outline here.

Amit
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