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My problem is that I basically suck at writing. Especially prose.

Part of it is basically because I don't practice as much as I could.

Part of it is because I'm just not talented in that way.

However (seemingly) brilliant ideas for stories keep invading my head bugging me to write them and develop them. I hope you understand the brutal strength of the need of self-expression.

My question is, is it a viable approach to write in a freeform, style-less way to get the basic ideas and plot down and then try to go trough it again and try to force some style (and essentially Beauty) upon it? Is this nuts? Do you have experience with such a way to produce literature? Success stories?

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    I just want to add that I don't think there's anyone that just can't write. Writing is a learned skill, not a magical gift bestowed from on high. – JSBձոգչ Nov 29 '10 at 17:32
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    But surely you'd agree that some are more talented then others? – Jakub Hampl Nov 29 '10 at 18:13
  • @Jakub: Sure, some people are more talented than others. But talent is just a baseline, with very little predictive ability either way. – JSBձոգչ Nov 29 '10 at 19:07
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    I don't think we're going to settle the talent-vs-craft argument here. At least not in the comments... – Goodbye Stack Exchange Nov 29 '10 at 20:05
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    If you'd be interested I can start a Community wiki on that topic. – Jakub Hampl Nov 29 '10 at 21:08
  • @Jakub I don't think that is an appropriate topic for this site; it would be subjective and argumentative. – StrixVaria Nov 29 '10 at 21:14
  • That's why it should be a Community wiki - at least that's how it works on SO. Also the question should definitely request evidence. Anyway was just an idea. If you want to discuss more -> meta. – Jakub Hampl Nov 29 '10 at 21:17
  • @neilfein thanks for saying this :D – Jürgen A. Erhard Dec 13 '10 at 19:12
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    Did someone tell you you can't write? Your question is on the verge of being beautifully written. "the brutal strength of the need of self-expression" (I would have written "for" instead of the second "of", but that's a nit.) "stories keep invading my head", nice strong image (weakened by the word "bugging", which is not what invaders do). I think you do have the talent and just need someone to point out a few mechanical flaw. – Michael Lorton Apr 15 '11 at 02:44
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    How do I undo a comment vote :D? I voted up the first comment, but I would like to correct that. Yes it is a learned skill, but some people are gifted as writers naturally :). – RolandiXor Jun 22 '11 at 00:53
  • Accepting the premise that you actually can't write, it might also be because you're not reading. (Are you?) Writers read a lot, and they try real hard to learn from what they read. – Ken Mohnkern Oct 08 '15 at 19:54
  • As someone mentioned, writing is a learned skill. You can get better with practice. Read lots of books - well written ones. Expand your vocabulary. Explore different writing styles. No one is BORN a great writer... the become great writers by being exposed to literature and through practice. – Abs Mar 27 '16 at 18:30

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Writing is one of the areas in which it is the most dubious that there exists such a thing as latent talent.

There are a few important pieces of evidence for this:

  • Writers frequently get better and better as they mature into middle age in contrast to disciplines traditionally considered talent-based, like sports or mathematics.
  • There are no child prodigies in writing. There are children who are very good for their age, but there are no children producing good literary works by the criteria used to judge adults. Even good literary work by somone in their late teens or early twenties is unusual (again in contrast to talent-based disciplines).
  • Writers do not always start at a young age. Many excellent writers began as adults.

Check out this article on expert performance if you believe you do not have the innate talent to write well. You almost certainly do, but it may take years of concentrated effort.

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  • Interesting. I'm not sure that I completely agree. For example I've known people who after (more or less) the same amount of practice were at very different levels. But the evidence you present sure is compelling. – Jakub Hampl Nov 29 '10 at 18:16
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    @Jakub Yes, definitely! It's very difficult to distinguish the quality of practice, though. The linked article talks a lot about the criteria for good practice, albeit in more objective contexts like music. – Mark Eichenlaub Nov 29 '10 at 20:30
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    Writing is just like any other field as far as talent goes. "Writers frequently get better and better as they mature" They do? Who says? How do you measure "better?" And what does that have to do with innate talent? "There are no child prodigies in writing..." that you know about. Actually, there are many. "Many excellent writers began as adults." True. But how does it follow logically that writing doesn't require natural talent? – Ethan Dec 19 '10 at 03:25
  • Interesting point! – geoffc Feb 04 '11 at 16:57
  • Well, Lorrie Moore got Self Help published at age 22, and one of my teachers who it seemed could like nothing less than the most esoteric of all literary works, eulogized that like it was a gem of the ages. So, point is, we can't be sure. – M.A Aug 17 '11 at 06:47
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_written_by_children_or_teenagers – naught101 Aug 01 '13 at 08:20
  • @naught101 Not sure what point you're trying to make. – Mark Eichenlaub Aug 01 '13 at 09:09
  • @MarkEichenlaub: naught101's point seems to be that many successful books have been published by young authors, and some are also quite good. He seems to be taking issue with your claim that writing is not an inherent talent. – dmm Jan 21 '14 at 05:07
  • Since writing often involves translating entire experiences onto paper, it makes sense in my mind that the more life experiences an author has, the better he gets - in addition to getting better through practice. – DoubleDouble Jul 10 '15 at 17:33
  • Please don't give up. We all kind of stink at something, until we miraculously become sort of good at it. Whatever you practice you get good at. Don't examine yourself so critically right now, and don't practice the act of giving up. The more time you pluck away, and design little pieces of fiction, to get those wondrous worlds you imagine down on paper, and into the minds of others, the better. I have written many pieces of rubbish, but I gave up on each of them, as I only saw them as such. Remember, there is no good writing, only good revision. My rubbish could've been polished into gold. ;) – Jared Eli Walsh Aug 08 '17 at 05:42
  • Not to clog old comments, but as someone who works in mathematics professionally: there is not a "latent" mathematical talent either!! – jtb Mar 12 '23 at 04:37
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There are two people in your head as you write.

One of you is writing. The other one is reading what you write and trying to make it better.

Lock this second person in the deepest darkest depths of your brain as you write. Gag his mouth, forget he exists, lock him in a cage, and don't let him out. When you are writing, just write. Let the words flow out from you. Get everything on paper. Don't let anything interrupt your train of thought; just keep going.

After you finish, either your session, your entire work, or however much is a comfortable amount for you, then you can let this second person speak up and do what he says. Only once you're finished... never while you're writing.

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    +1: A lot of good writers say that the rewrite is where it gets good. Stephen King says that after he writes a first draft and goes back to read it over, it always looks like an alien artifact discovered at a garage sale. Then he revises it something like 8 times. And then it becomes a best seller. :) – Brian MacKay Nov 29 '10 at 22:02
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    the second person is angry – abel Dec 03 '10 at 14:01
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    @StrixVaria - I do not agree with this. I do not suppress the second person ever. I take his opinion while I write. And most of the time both of them agree, ... well I hardly remember they ever disagreed. Generally the second person appreciates what the first person writes and I am sure within myseld I have written something nice. – Sandeepan Nath Dec 18 '10 at 16:36
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    I don't know about you guys but there are at least three people in my head. – Ethan Dec 19 '10 at 03:30
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    @Sandeep: People differ in this: some writers work best if they can feel that everything they have written is just right and will not need much in the way of changes later. But I guess that Strix's advice is right for most people. – Charles Stewart Jan 17 '11 at 10:33
  • my second person is scared of me, and i can't find him. thus i can write but i can't edit. – Dan D. Feb 15 '11 at 23:33
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I've written this before, but I like to emphasize it, because it is really important. So here we go again:

Your first draft is always (no matter if your name is Stephen King or Jakub Hampl) a big pile of shit! Yes, it is. Writing means re-writing. Again and again and again. Your approach is exactly how writing works. Plot down and loop through your refinement process.

James Frey wrote an anecdote in the first or second book of his "How to Write a Damn Good Novel" series. Year after year a woman came to his writing class, who showed that she was totally untalented. He was asking himself, why she didn't give up. But she was stubborn. And she got better every year. Lastly she published a novel which was a success. In opposite to many more talented participants, who knew they were good, but didn't turn that benefit into any real outcome.

Hard work always beats talent!

Or as Eric Sink put it: Focus on the first derivative!

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Practice practice practice practice and, as much as practice, you must READ. Read other peoples writing, not just to enjoy the story, but to envy their phrasing, to lust for their characterization, to weep for their descriptive imagery.

I know people who work, who practice. Prolific writers. Yet their work is flawed because they don't read. You must read. To paraphrase King, you must be a glutton for words. You must want to read, to roll around in other people thoughts like a cat in a field of nip.

Even if you're not a natural genius (and only 1 in a billion is), practice, and read. Practice and read.

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  • YES Finally something I adore. Read other stuff. And it doesn't even have to be literature (this is "writers" of anything, right?). Same goes for music. There's music I adore for the composition, music I envy for the lyrics, and... music I love because it makes me want to write/perform myself. – Jürgen A. Erhard Dec 13 '10 at 19:22
  • Some things can not be improved through practice. No amount of practice can make a person more imaginative. There's no way to practice having ideas. You can improve your craft, but writing stories people actually want to read requires a lot more than craft, and not everybody possesses that "a lot more." All the wishful thinking in the world won't change that. Most successful writers are known to have "practiced" a lot (so to speak -- actually they just called it "writing.") But it does NOT logically follow that if you practice you will be successful. You also have to have talent. – Ethan Dec 19 '10 at 03:13
  • for you must read before you start writing. Read a lot
  • – pramodc84 Dec 22 '10 at 06:58
  • I read a lot, and I'd still consider myself a pretty terrible writer. Just saying, reading is good, sure, but I don't think it's key until you are writing at a higher level. – auden Mar 22 '18 at 21:18