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I have read a lot of the answers concerning these concepts, but most of them are beyond my level of understanding of classical mechanics. I'm a highschool student preparing for Olympiads and I came across these terms in a lecture by Walter Lewin. (8.01x Lecture 20). Link to YouTube Video. Around 15:55 or so it's being mentioned (according to timestamps by Walter himself). In this he stated that the spin angular momentum of a rotating body, unlike angular momentum, is actually an intrinsic property of the system and that it remains the same with respect to any origin. My questions are:

  1. He stated that the spin angular momentum must only be taken about the COM. But what if the body is rotating about a fixed axis which is not the COM, what about that case.

  2. Can we say there are 2 angular momentum 'components' (spin and orbital) for a rolling body (in pure rolling) about some chosen origin (which isn't the COM), I_com * w and mrv_com?

  3. What if the body is in pure rolling about some other point (what I want to imply may not be clear, hence I'll give an example). As an example say a cylinder is in pure rolling between 2 plates moving with different velocities v_1 and v_2 in opposite directions. What is the angular momentum in this case? Will we also have a 'spin' and an 'orbital' angular velocity in this scenario?

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With all due respect to W.Lewin, maybe not the clearest point of his series of lectures. IMHO in classical mechanics there's no need to introduce these "extra" definitions, that generate confusions:

  • what he calls spin angular momentum can be simply defined as "angular momentum w.r.t. the center of mass, $G$"
  • what he calls orbital angular momentum can be simply defined as "the difference of the angular momentum w.r.t. a point $H$ and the angular momentum w.r.t. $G$"

Since you're a high-school student and maybe not that much familiar with integrals, I'm using here a system of discrete points, to replace integrals with summation. But, as you're preparing for the Olympiads, I'm using summations and vectors.

The answer is split in few sections: (1) angular momentum for generic systems of point masses; (2) angular momentum for rigid systems of point masses; (3) angular momentum for rigid systems of point masses, performing rotation w.r.t. a constant direction; (4) answers to your questions.

Angular momentum for generic systems of point masses

Angular momentum of a system of point masses $P_i$ w.r.t. a generic point $H$ ("geometric point", that has nothing to do in general with the system you're studying) is defined as

$$\vec{L}_H = \sum_i m_i (P_i - H) \times \vec{v}_i \ ,$$

The vector connecting the pole $H$ to the point $P_i$ of the system can be then written as the sum of two vectors,

$$(P_i - H) = (P_i - C) + (C - H) \ ,$$

where $C$ can be chosen to be one particular point of the system, either a material point or a point that can be calculated as a function of the properties of the system (e.g. masses $m_i$ and points $P_i$). As an example, $C$ can be chosen to be the center of mass $G = \frac{1}{\sum_i m_i} \sum_{i} m_i P_i$.

The angular momentum can now be written as

$$\vec{L}_H = \sum_i m_i (C-H) \times \vec{v}_i + \sum_i m_i (P_i-C) \times \vec{v}_i \ ,$$

having split the angular momentum as the sum of a contribution that depends on the position of the pole $H$, and the a contribution - the second one - that doesn't depend on the position of $H$. Choosing $C \equiv G$, we get exactly the two definitions of the contributions to the angular momentum of a system w.r.t. a generic point $H$ provided at the beginning of this answer. In the first contribution, as $C$ and $H$ don't depend on the summation index $i$ they can be brought outside the summation, that reduces to the momentum of the system,

$$\sum_i m_i \vec{v}_i = m \vec{v}_G = \vec{Q} \ ,$$

and the angular momentum can be thus written as

$$\vec{L}_H = (C-H) \times m \vec{v}_G + \sum_i m_i (P_i-C) \times \vec{v}_i \ ,$$

which ultimately leads to the beautiful result

$$\vec{L}_H = (C-H) \times m \vec{v}_G + \vec{L}_C $$

Angular momentum for rigid systems of point masses

The velocity of two points $A$, $B$ of a rigid system are related to their relative positions $(B-A)$ and the angular velocity of the system $\vec{\omega}$,

$$\vec{v}_B - \vec{v}_A = \vec{\omega} \times (B - A) \ .$$

The center of mass of a rigid system is a material point, and thus it's possible to write the velocity $\vec{v}_i$ of any point $P_i$ as

$$\vec{v}_i - \vec{v}_G = \vec{\omega} \times ( P_i - G ) \ .$$

Thus the angular momentum of a rigid system can be written as

$$\vec{L}_H = (G-H) \times m \vec{v}_G + \sum_i m_i (P_i-G) \times (\vec{v}_G - (P_i - G) \times \vec{\omega}) \ .$$

The first term of the summation is identically zero since

$$\sum_i m_i (P_i-G) \times \vec{v}_G = \vec{v}_G \sum_i m_i (P_i-G) = \vec{v}_G \, m \, (G - G) = \vec{0} \ .$$

The second term can be written exploiting the definition of the (tensor of, in general 3-dimensional probles) inertia w.r.t. the center of mass

$$\mathbb{I}_G := - \sum_{i} (P_i - G)_{\times} (P_i - G)_{\times} \ ,$$

as $\mathbb{I}_G \cdot \vec{\omega} \ .$ Thus, even if you're not familiar with this notation - but you trust me at least for few lines, before approaching the next section with the simplifcations required to get the formula you may be familiar with - it's possible to write the angular momentum - as before - as the sum of two contributions, (1) one depending on $H$, and the velocity of the center of mass $\vec{v}_G$, i.e. the translation of the center of mass; (2) one not depending on $H$, nor on the velocity of the center of mass $\vec{v}_G$, but only on the angular velocity of the system, and that can be written as a "product of inertia w.r.t. $G$ and angular velocity",

$$\vec{L}_H = (G-H) \times m \vec{v}_G + \mathbb{I}_G \cdot \vec{\omega} \ .$$

Angular momentum for rigid systems of point masses, performing rotation w.r.t. a constant direction

Focusing only on rotations w.r.t. a constant direction (here called $\hat{z}$, the direction pointing outwards from the screen of your device, as an example), this term usually reduces to $I_G \omega \hat{z}$,

$$\begin{aligned} \vec{L}_H = (G-H) \times m \vec{v}_G + I_G \omega \hat{z} \ . && (1) \end{aligned}$$

Answer your questions

  1. He stated that the spin angular momentum must only be taken about the COM. But what if the body is rotating about a fixed axis which is not the COM, what about that case.

If we don't introduce extra definitions and just rely on the last expression of the angular momentum, what W.Lewin calls sping angular momentum is just $I_G \omega \hat{z}$. So "spin angular momentum must...about the COM" really translates in "I call $I_G \omega \hat{z}$ the spin angular momentum, as the first contribution is identically zero, if I choose $G$ as the pole, $H \equiv G$).

If you want to evaluate the angular momentum w.r.t. a point $H$ that is not coincident with the center of mass, you need also the first contribution, "the orbital angular momentum" $(G-H) \times m \vec{v}_G$

  1. Can we say there are 2 angular momentum 'components' (spin and orbital) for a rolling body (in pure rolling) about some chosen origin (which isn't the COM), I_com * w and mrv_com?

Whatever the chosen pole $H$, the motion of a rigid body can be described as the combination of the translation of one of its points $P$ and a rotation. Angular velocity is a dynamical quantity of the rigid body, and doesn't depend on the point $P$ chosen to describe the translational contribution of the rigid motion. So, for a generic rigid body performing a rigid motion, equation (1) gives exactly (maybe a bit more precise), what you suspect: the angular momentum of a rigid body w.r.t. a pole $H$ that is not the center of mass can be written as the product of the "spin angular momentum" $I_G \omega \hat{z}$ and a contribution $(G-H) \times m \vec{v}_G$ due to the translation of the center of mass $G$.

  1. What if the body is in pure rolling about some other point (what I want to imply may not be clear, hence I'll give an example). As an example say a cylinder is in pure rolling between 2 plates moving with different velocities v_1 and v_2 in opposite directions. What is the angular momentum in this case? Will we also have a 'spin' and an 'orbital' angular velocity in this scenario?

Assuming $v_1$ is the velocity of a plate below the cylinder and $v_2$ above it; $v_1$, $v_2> 0$ pointing to the right, $x$-direction, $y$ upwards, $y = 0$ represents the line where the center of mass lies, $z$ outwards the screen; pure rolling (no-slip) at the contact points between plates and the cylinder; kinematics gives us both the velocity of the center of mass of the cylinder (assumed to be symmetric) and its angular velocity

$$\begin{aligned} \vec{v}_G & = \hat{x} \frac{1}{2} (v_2 + v_1) \\ \omega \hat{z} & = \hat{z} \left( -\frac{v_2 - v_1}{2R} \right) \end{aligned}$$

Thus, just applying the formula (1), the angular momentum w.r.t. a generic point $H$ with Cartesian coordinates $(x_H, y_H, 0)$ reads

$$\begin{aligned} \vec{L}_H & = (G-H) \times m \vec{v}_G + I_G \omega \hat{z} = \\ & = ((x_G-x_H) \hat{x} - y_H \hat{y} ) \times m v_G \hat{x} + I_G \omega \hat{z} = \\ & = \hat{z} \left( m y_H v_G + I_G \omega \right) = \\ & = \hat{z} \left( m y_H \frac{1}{2}(v_2 + v_1) - \frac{1}{2} I_G \frac{v_2-v_1}{R} \right) \ . \end{aligned}$$

Outro

And here, after more than half-a-hour of answer. I'm leaving here two links to some notes (it's a work-in-progress, feel free to close soon, or make suggestions, requests or point out mistakes, or contribute,...) about physics-mechanics at (should be) high-school level, and mechanics for undergrad, where you could find some systematic approach to mechanics.

Here, as an example a discussion of the kinematics of rigid systems with rotations around a fixed axis, as discussed in this answer.

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Let me present some of my ideas on how to make the concepts that are involved transparent.

Historically there is a precursor to the concept of angular momentum: Kepler's law of areas

Linear momentum and angular momnentum stand in a relation to each other, and the area law concept is well suited to show that relation.


Linear motion law:
For an object in inertial motion:
In equal intervals of time the object will traverse equal distances.

Area law:
For an object whose motion is governed by a central force:
In equal intervals of time an object will sweep out equal areas.


Newton's derivation of a general area law

The first derivation in the Newton's Principia is a derivation of Kepler's law of areas from first principles.

(I reproduce the text from wikipedia, because I am the author of that image, and I wrote that exposition)
During the first interval of time, an object is in motion from point A to point B. Undisturbed, it would continue to point c during the second interval. When the object arrives at B, it receives an impulse directed toward point S. The impulse gives it a small added velocity toward S, such that if this were its only velocity, it would move from B to V during the second interval. By the rules of velocity composition, these two velocities add, and point C is found by construction of parallelogram BcCV. Thus the object's path is deflected by the impulse so that it arrives at point C at the end of the second interval. Because the triangles SBc and SBC have the same base SB and the same height Bc or VC, they have the same area. By symmetry, triangle SBc also has the same area as triangle SAB, therefore the object has swept out equal areas SAB and SBC in equal times.

At point C, the object receives another impulse toward S, again deflecting its path during the third interval from d to D. Thus it continues to E and beyond, the triangles SAB, SBc, SBC, SCd, SCD, SDe, SDE all having the same area. Allowing the time intervals to become ever smaller, the path ABCDE approaches indefinitely close to a continuous curve.

The above geometric reasoning shows there is a conserved quantity. This conserved quantity is proportional to the area of the constant area triangles.


Discussion:

The lines ABc, BCd and CDe are straight lines. Hypothetically, if the central force would not be there the object would move like that: in equal intervals of time traversing equal distances.

Newton's geometric demonstration is general; the force law can be any function of the radial distance; for any central force the area law obtains.

A central force has a symmetry: for any orientation relative to the central point the magnitude of the force is the same. We can recognize that as an instance of a recurring pattern: whenever there is a symmetry we notice a corresponding conserved quantity.



Any representation of angular momentum has to be a form that expresses a plane. The motion can be circular motion or spiralling motion, the point is that the minimum space you need in order to have an angular momentum at all is two spatial dimensions: a plane.

The natural way to represent a plane is by stating a set of two vectors that define that plane.

We have that the space we are experiencing has three spatial dimensions.
In a space with three spatial dimensions we have the following property: for any plane there is just one orientation that is perpendicular to that plane.

Only a space with 3 spatial dimensions has that property: with 4 spatial dimensions, for instance, each plane has two orientations that are perpendicular to that plane.

As we know: the common approach is to represent angular momentum with a single vector: a vector that is perpendicular to the plane of the angular momentum. That is presented as the angular momentum vector.

A disadvantage of that single-vector-representation is that it obscures the relation between angular momentum and representation in terms of area.



About association between central force and angular momentum

Well, if a force does not have symmetry under rotation then a self-consistent definition of angular momentum is not available.

In order to be useful as a description of physics taking place a concept must be consistent. Anything that is not consistent cannot be reliably used.

Therefore I submit: the only context where a self-consistent definition of angular momentum is available is when the force that is involved has symmetry under change of orientation (either full spherical symmetry, or cilindrical symmetry wrt to some fixed axis).


In the case of for example the motions of the celestial bodies of the solar system the central force is provided by the gravity from the Sun.

In the case of a spinning rigid body the structural integrity of the body provides that central force.

(There are slow motion video's on youtube showing what happens when a CD is spun so fast that the required centripetal force exceeds the elastic strength of the disc.)


That, in my opinion, is the association between central force and angular momentum.



Decomposition in components

Angular momentum of a rigid body can be decomposed in orbital angular momentum and spin angular momentum.

That decomposition is similar in nature to decomposition of a total linear momentum vector into linear momentum vector components.

That is: distinction between orbital angular momentum and spin angular momentum is at the level of representation. It is a useful decomposition, it makes the mathematics tractable, but it isn't an intrinsic distinction.



General notion of conservation of angular momentum

The expression 'conservation of angular momentum' is used in two contexts, and it is not directly visible how they are related to each other:
-conservation of angular momentum in eccentric orbiting motion
-conservation of angular momentum of a spinning rigid body

A particularly vivid example of eccentric orbit is the orbit of Halley's comet. From aphelion to perihelion the gravity from the Sun is accelerating Halley's comet. The gravity from the Sun is doing work, increasing the kinetic energy of Halley's comet. At perihelion Halley's comet is moving much, much faster that the velocity of circular motion at that distance to the Sun. The surplus velocity carries Halley's comet up the gravitational gradient again. From perihelion to aphelion the gravity from the Sun is doing negative work, decelerating Halley's comet.


For a spinning rigid body: A well known case, often referred to as: Feynman's wobbling plate (Youtube video, 7 minutes, highly recommended)

The angular momentum of that wobbling plate has a constant orientation. So: how come the plate as a whole has a sustained wobbling? Why doesn't that wobbling disappear immediately after releasing the plate?

The rigidity of the plate is an essential factor here. Different parts of the plate move at different velocity from moment to moment; momentum is relocated internally continuously.

By contrast: there is the pizza maker's way of stretching he dough by spinning the dough, including throwing it into the air, while spinning. With the highly non-rigid dough the energy associated with bending force effect is dissipated very rapidly; no wobble


A most vivid instance of internal relocation of momentum: gyroscopic precession.

There is a 2012 answer by me in which I explain the mechanics of gyroscopic precession

I'm not copying that answer here, I give a short description of what can be found there

gyroscope wheel in gimbal mounting

I define three axes:

  • Roll axis - the gyroscope wheel spins around the roll axis.
  • Pitch axis - motion of the red frame. As you can see, the gimbal mounting ensures the pitch axis is perpendicular to the roll axis.
  • Swivel axis - motion of the yellow frame.

Initially the gyro wheel is just rolling.
Then swivel is added.

Now take a small subsection of the gyro wheel rim, and follow how that section moves relative to the swivel axis.
Given the combination of spinning and swivel: the distance of the mass to the swivel axis is changing. That change of radial distance means work is done, and that work done has an effect.



Repeating the start of this section:
-conservation of angular momentum in eccentric orbiting motion
-conservation of angular momentum of a spinning rigid body

What is the connection between those two?

The common factor is: When there is a central force: change of radial distance means work is done. Work being done has an effect.

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