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Friends of mine observed an effect recently whereby boiling hot water was placed in a thermos, only for the thermos to become difficult to open (an apparent suction effect) after about 30 minutes.

Searching Physics SE, I found what appears to be a similar question:

Why does very cold water in a thermos cause there to be strong suction on the cap?

However, it's referring to very cold water in a thermos (compared to the air), and the air pressure decreasing as the air cools.

Based on that explanation (if we assume the hot water heats the cold air), it seems like it should produce an opposite effect on the cap (increased pressure) rather then a suction effect (decreased pressure), right?

In fact, I found another question describing a similar scenario:

Why does pressure in a thermos increase after shaking up hot water and soap?

Which indicates the pressure should increase.

So in this case, why was the cap difficult to open? Does it change depending on how much air may be or may not be in the thermos?

I've attached a picture of the particular thermos this was observed with, if it's helpful.

Thermos

Tronman
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The explanation both in the case of cold and hot water are kind of the same.

In the case of hot water, when it's been added to the flask the remaining air inside is temporarily heated up.

However, it cools back down fairly quick due to:

  • heat exchange with the cooler, top end of the flask and the stopper
  • natural (but slow) convection losses

In a simple model, considering the 'head space' above the water as an ideal gas we have the Ideal Gas Law:

$$pV=nRT$$

as $V$, $R$ and $n$ are constants a decrease in $T$ causes a decrease in $p$. Since as the outside pressure $p_{atm}$ is constant, the pressure difference then cause this 'suction' (a misnomer, really) effect.

Does it change depending on how much air may be or may not be in the thermos?

As $V$ is constant then in a simple analysis, 'no'.

In the cold water version, the cold water caused the 'head space' air to cool down and the effect is the same as above.

Gert
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