I've always wondered, that since the Earth is moving at a very fast velocity around the Sun, why is it that when astronauts leave the Earth, the Earth doesn't immediately move away from them at extremely large speeds?
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Because you were also in orbit around the sun with the Earth and still have that velocity.
You may be imagining this in terms of stepping off of a slow moving vehicle on the Earth: you jump off, you come to a stop relative the ground and watch the trolley car go it's merry way. But that is a feature of friction between you and the ground. There is no such thing as a absolute reference frame in the universe and when you "leave the Earth" you don't come to stop relative anything so that you can watch the Earth fly away.
Newton's laws apply here: "a body in motion (that's the you or the planet) will continue in motion unless acted on by an external force". You just keep going except for changed induced by your drive.
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Imagine that you're sitting in a car that's sitting on a wide flatbed truck. The truck is moving down the freeway at, say, 65 miles per hour. You step out of the car onto the bed of the truck. You've just left an object that's moving at 65 mph, but it doesn't move away from you -- because you, the car, and the truck are all still moving at 65 mph relative to the ground.
Now step off the truck onto the freeway. (Don't actually try this!) Your ground-relative speed will rapidly diminish from 65 mph to 0, and you'll see the truck, with the car on it, continue moving off into the distance. (You'll also have numerous broken bones.) This happens because a force was applied to you when you hit the ground. From the point of view of the truck driver, the ground hit you and rapidly propelled you backwards.
When you "step off" the Earth by launching into space, there is no "ground" to hit you and push you backwards. Your initial momentum continues to carry you along in Solar orbit.
We can view the situation from any of several points of view, or "frames of reference".
From a Sun-centered frame of reference (where the Sun is treated as stationary), you start out travelling in Solar orbit along with the Earth, then you leave Earth with enough velocity to escape the planet, but not enough to leave Solar orbit. (Earth's escape velocity is about 11 kilometers per second; Earth's orbital velocity around the sun is about 30 kps.)
From an Earth-centered frame of reference (where the Earth doesn't move but it does rotate), you start out on the Earth's surface, moving at a few hundred kilometers per hour because of the Earth's rotation, then you accelerate and leave the surface. You have, let's say, barely enough velocity to leave the Earth, but not enough leave it at a very high speed. Since we're treating the Earth as stationary, its orbital movement around the Sun can be ignored.
Both of these frames of reference are valid, and calculations using either of them will yield the same description of what happens physically. This is the basis for the theory of relativity, though everything I've described has been known since Newton.
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The title question and the text question are different. The title question "Why doesn't the Earth leave you as soon as you escape it?" has the answer: the Earth does leave you as soon as you escape it. The definition of "escape" is greater than escape velocity (around 11 km/s), which means that you no longer orbit the Earth. You and the Earth will be moving away from each other.
Unless you have also reached escape velocity from the Sun (about 17 km/s from the Earth), then you will still be orbiting the Sun, and so with no other maneuvers you will come close to intersecting Earth's orbit every one of your orbits (depending on the effect of other planets, mainly Jupiter), and you may eventually reencounter the Earth depending on the phases of your orbits.
The text question asks about astronauts leaving the Earth. To date, astronauts have never reached escape velocity, and the vast majority of them (all but 24 of them) have been confined to low-Earth orbit (about 8 km/s). So the answer to the text question is that astronauts (so far) are bound to the Earth by their orbits.
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Because until you're far enough to leave Earth's gravitational field, you will still feel it. That means that if you go into space (say at ISS level) and put on a spacesuit and go for a walk, you'll still be moving with the Earth as it rotates around the Sun.
When you've traveled far enough that the force of Earth's gravitational field is negligible, you will see movement.
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... since the Earth is moving at a very fast velocity around the Sun ...
You problems start here. Nothing is orbiting anything, until you select a reference frame. So, what’s orbiting something is a matter of individual decision, not a fact of nature. This is a result of the Principle of Relativity.
According to this principle every point in the universe, is as suitable as others to be used as the basis for a reference frame and that must not cause you any problem (thinking that the big bang started everywhere helps also).
Then, let’s analyze just 2 choices of frames and see what it "tells" about your problem.
Select the sun as your reference frame:
In this choice of frame earth is orbiting the sun in the usual Copernican (heliocentric) system and sun is fix. Still, in this setup, you are orbiting the sun as well, so you have the same translational velocity as earth and since sun’s gravity affect you both the same way you won’t be left behind (the same as dmckee’s answer).
Select earth as your reference frame:
In this choice of frame, earth is at rest, therefore the sun is the one who’s orbiting earth (Ptolemaic or geocentric system). In this frame, everything becomes clear, since earth is not going anywhere.
This is the simplest way of explaining your problem.
PS: Heliocentric way of viewing things is not the right way, is another way of viewing it. It happens to be the one that produces the simplest paths (*solutions** to the laws of motion) when describing the motion of the planets in the solar (earth?) system. But, it is not the ideal to describe the motion of the moon; in this case, earth is a better choice. Reference frames should be chosen as per case basis. As said before in another comment: “Neither Galileo nor the Catholic Church were right. They were both right and wrong simultaneously. There is not a preferred reference frame.” Just choose a reference frame and describe the universe from that point of view
For further comments on this issue see my comments in this and this answers from another question.
