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I am thinking in the mechanical context.

Everywhere I research (e.g. Wikipedia) the law of conservation of energy is stated only for the special case of an isolated system. I am wondering if conservation of energy holds beyond that special case; it seems that it should. After all, if a property holds only under special cases then the property is not a law.

Reading Feynman's lecture 14 volume I, I understand that if only conservative forces act on an object its total energy remains unchanged. For example, a falling object subject only to gravity has a constant sum of kinetic and potential energies. However, the system consisting of just this object is not an isolated system because it is subject to the external force of gravity. It seems this is an instance of conservation of energy holding outside the special case of an isolated system.

Feynman argues that at the fundamental level all forces are in fact conservative. This implies that at the fundamental level conservation of energy applies to all systems. Is this true? If so, why is conservation of energy continually stated under the special case of an isolated system?

(this site's "energy-conservation" tag says "the amount of energy in a system is constant" implying the system need not be isolated, further confusing me)

Joseph Johnston
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There are different ways of stating conservation of energy and accounting for energy, which can make the issue confusing. One such statement is "the total energy of an isolated system is constant". This is true, and is the simplest way to state conservation of energy. This form of conservation of energy is the earliest taught.

There's another way of stating conservation of energy, "the energy in a region changes by the amount of energy flowing into or out of a region, and energy in adjacent regions changes by the same amount". You could call this local conservation of energy, and is a much stronger statement. It not only tells us that energy is conserved, but it also tells us that energy can't disappear from a region and reappear far away. This is the kind of conservation of energy that Feynman is considering, so he can apply it to systems that aren't isolated.

David
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Energy is conserved in an isolated system. The energy of the system is constant. But it can flow from one part of the system to another.

Energy is not conserved in the part. The energy in the part can increase or decrease. No energry is created or destroyed. It just moves to a place where you stop counting it.

mmesser314
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Feynman knows better than that, actually, and this is one of these cases were undergrad textbooks like Feynman's come dangerously close to being not only incomplete but deceptive. Conservation of energy is a consequence of time translation symmetry (see Noether's theorem) and he mentions it in chapter 52 without even an attribution (bah!). If that holds, then the question of open vs. closed systems is merely an accounting issue, as @mmesser314 said. If it doesn't hold, and there are signs that it may not hold on cosmological scales, then energy is not conserved, period.

I never liked Feynman's books. While he has a lot of really nice examples and detailed explanations (too detailed, sometimes), he misses to give students the big picture first. There is no law against starting with the most important stuff in physics first, which is what Russian textbooks like Landau-Lifshitz do. They expect you, the reader, to be intelligent and to be able to swim once they throw you into the water. The advantage of that is that you are not being told that the waters you are in are shallow and full of little waves like in Feynman's baby pool. To be honest... don't study from Feynman, alone. Get yourself a book for "real physicists" like Landau-Lifshitz. Throw yourself into the pool and you will find that you won't drown.

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