Am I getting Craigslist scammed?

Question

I am selling a mower on Craigslist and I received this in a text:

FRM: Harry Luong

SUBJ: Re: Hey, is still for sale?

MSG: Great I saw the detail on the Ad and I'm okay with the price & condition and i want you to consider it sold. I will be securing the payment by sending you (Bank check) Via USPS next day delivery and i will handle the Shipping my self with my private Mover that will come down there for the pick up after the check cleared. I'II need your full name and Address or po box for the check to be issued out to you Thanks

Is this a scam?

Answer 1

Yes.

Nobody sends movers to buy a mower. The check you receive will be fake, but the money you'll send back to the scammer will be very real, and out of your pocket.

Answer 2

Yes.

This is a version of a widely used scam. Examples

Basically, what's likely to happen is that you may receive a check, but there's a good chance that it'll be more than was agreed to, and you'll be asked to pay the shipper the balance. (Usually, the scammer is the shipper or with the shipper, surreptitiously). Eventually, the check will bounce, and you're out the item and the money.

Just because a check clears after a few days does not mean the check is good. Checks can clear and then later bounce, and even then you're responsible for it.

There's a number of ways this works for the scammer, and they could even be using the opportunity to case your home.

As a rule of thumb, don't complete online transactions at your home, go somewhere public and safe. Also, never accept checks, personal or cashier's, they're very risky.

Answer 3

Yes, it's an extremely common scam. It's most likely a generated message from an automated system that churns through Craigslist ads, sending the same generic email for each one. Note that there is no mention of the item or the price or anything else that would suggest this "person" even read the ad.

These scams are unavoidable on Craigslist. One thing always do is put "CASH ONLY" in my ads. It won't stop the scammers, but it makes it really easy to ignore any response that talks about "securing the payment" or paying me by check or money order. They don't even get a response.

Answer 4

My folks almost got hit with such a scam. They were trying to sell an old classic car engine or transmission on craigslist. I remember it being something big bulky and heavy. They had some phone exchange with the out of state buyer who rapid shipped some actual UPS label to have a freight delivery operator come and pick up the unit. They also shipped in the same envelope a cashiers check to their local bank. I inspected and scrutinized the check, it looked indubitably real. There was an address and such for the bank which was a small local bank in Virginia or something out East Coast from what I remember. I looked up their phone number online and called them up and asked if they could verify that the given check number and amount and issuer were valid. The gentleman took a moment, looked up the information and shared it was not a valid check issued by their bank. He also shared with me that they've been the target of these sorts of scams for a handful of cases in the last few months and suggested we forward our theft case to the authorities, which if I recall was FBI and some regulatory body like consumer fraud, I forget exactly.

This page on craigslist is worth reading

https://www.craigslist.org/about/scams

Answer 5

Craigslist

mailing, check, and/or shipping

Scam

It's as simple as that. Craigslist is ONLY for face-to-face, cash-on-the-barrelhead transactions. As soon as "mail", "check" or "ship" comes up, block the "buyer". It is a scam.

Of course, your guy dinged all 3 bells.

If someone wants to do that type of transaction, and you believe they are real, you should force them onto a platform with proper anti-scam and seller protections, such as eBay/PayPal. And you need to play savvy and by the rules there, too. The methods used by Craigslist scammers do not work on any eBay/PayPal who is savvy and following the rules.

Of course the same is true for Craigslist, the rules plainly say "Local/face to face sales only".

How it works.

The scammers are on Craigslist because that works, because 1% of people will be fooled and agree to absurd transactions.

The "check scam" is that the check is forged in a way that will take a very long time to bounce. However the bank only places a hold on the money for X days (that's the time most checks take to bounce). Consumers think that the hold release means the check cleared. It does not. Meanwhile the scammer is telling you "Look, the check cleared, send me back some of the money!" And gives you an irreversible method like Western Union. Then the check bounces, and you are out the money you sent onward.

There's some excuse for overpaying, and then the scammer says "Pay my shipping company when the item is picked up". That gets revised to "Oh, my shipping company needs it in advance, can you wire it to Western Union 123-456-7890111".

And then the shipper never shows up. The payment you wired was the endgame of the scam.

Answer 6

Those people are indeed scammers. They tried to buy a car from my family using such methods. Then they sent a paypal payment page so we can pay just for the transportation.

Guess what? It wasn't a paypal address. It was something like paypalsomething.com.

In our case it was a car. Beware!

Plus, don't even respond. I suppose most of that is actually automated so calling them names should not even get to them. They must be doing this by the thousands everyday.

Thanks governments for not sorting it out.

Answer 7

This is a fraud, end to end. The cheque you get will not be properly printed with machine readable magnetic ink.

Answer 8

Felt it important to add an answer because there seems to be a theme among other users answering this question that the result of being scammed will be that you won't be sent a real check or you'll be given a check that bounces due to insufficient funds. You could very well get the money and have it in your account for a month before the problems start.

Scammers can buy all the information they need to write a real check in somebody else's name and create a counterfeit check that the issuing bank may even be able to verify as a 'valid' check. If the scammer is using the personal information for somebody who has enough money in their account then the check won't even bounce. It may be months until that person notices the fraudulent activity and reports it. At that point the funds will be removed from your account, plunging you to a negative balance if necessary. You'll be contacted by the bank security team or law enforcement who will probably just verify you got scammed and not take any further action but that money will never be coming back.

The scammer cannot get away with just directly transferring the money out of the person whose information they stole so they are trying to get it laundered through you via different transfer modes (you sending cash, paypal, western union, etc) that won't easily be reversed and will be more difficult to track back to them.

The movers/delivery service will likely never even materialize to pick up the item so you may not lose your mower though.