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Due to the nature of my problem I've had little success on Google. I appreciate any help.

  • I have a 2001 Honda CR-V EX with 130000 miles on it and I'm the original owner.

  • The week prior to my problem the engine temperature indicator started rising near the red zone so I checked the radiator fluid which was low. I added fluid and that solved it.

  • The next week the car wouldn't start. There was no clicking associated with normal starting. The battery seemed to have power because the accessories all worked. I hooked it up to a jump start charger anyway and then when I turned the key there was a loud clank as if the engine was mechanically stuck on something and the extra amperage from the car starter helped it break loose and it started up and seemed to run fine.

  • Later that day it started running rough and dying at stops. The engine was clicking loudly. I thought maybe the alternator went out but it tested fine and so did the battery.

  • After some Googling I found that the valves often need adjusting. I popped the valve cover and set all the valve clearances. One of the intake valves was tilted to the side and when I undid the lock nut it popped back into place and seemed fine. I also changed all the spark plugs, changed the oil and oil filter, changed the pcv valve, and the fuel filter. It started up and ran great but still had the loud clicking that seems to occur on every revolution of the crankshaft (now seems inconsistent, see edit2). I hear the clicking best from near the front driver side of the engine (now seems center of engine, see edit2) although it is hard to pinpoint.

  • I just opened the valve cover again. The timing belt is in good condition and seems tight enough. I am about to double check everything.

Thank you for your time and any ideas.


(EDIT1) Valve Control Assembly Inspection

  • I double checked the valve clearances and checked the rocker that was originally popped to the side and it seemed fine.

  • The clicking does not happen when I hand crank the engine or when turned by the starter.

  • It doesn't seem to be a problem with the camshafts or rockers or anything I can get to with the valve cover off. I am hesitant to go deeper into the engine.


(EDIT2) Clicking Description and Location

I put the engine together and ran it to try to pin-point the noise. It doesn't seem as constant as before.

  • Sometimes it is "1111111111" sometimes "101010101010" and sometimes "11010110101101" (the ones are clicks).
  • The click is sharp and loud when driving or just giving the engine gas but still sometimes intermittent.
  • The click is quiet or loud at idle with no discernible reason.
  • At first when the engine warmed and settled into normal idle it stopped clicking for maybe 20 seconds.
  • The sound seems to be coming from the center of the engine but I can't really tell.
  • I pulled the spark plug wires one by one and ran the engine but I didn't notice any real difference as far as clicking.

(EDIT3) Video of My Engine Running

I posted a video of my engine starting, idling, and revving a little on YouTube.

Ignore the lifter noise. The click is louder later in the video. Sorry about the extreme close-ups, it's to try to pin-point the click in the video.


(EDIT4) Exhaust System Inspection

I decided to check for an exhaust leak. I duct taped a shop-vac to the tail-pipe and set it to blow in the exhaust. Then I sprayed soapy water on the exhaust system. The connection between the catalytic converter and the "A" pipe gave me soap bubbles indicating a leak.

Hoping to solve the clicking I disconnected the exhaust where it was leaking. I checked the gasket and there was a lot of exhaust deposits on the inside of the gasket leading me to believe that maybe the connection wasn't tight enough or the gasket isn't very good. I ran the engine with the exhaust disconnected from the catalytic converter to see if that stopped the click noise but it only sounded slightly louder. Would that indicate a damaged exhaust valve?

So, I ruled out exhaust leak as the cause of the noise even though there is an exhaust leak that I need to fix.


(EDIT5) Leak-Down Test

I rigged up a "mirror" and an LED small enough to put through my spark plug openings. It was a little hard to make out the valves but, they all looked fine except one intake valve on cylinder 1. I couldn't tell if it was damaged or just partially discolored.

I decided to rig up an attachment that screws into my spark plug openings for my air compressor so that I could do a crude leak-down test. I set each cylinder to TDC before testing. Then I set my compressor at 80psi and then plugged in the air hose and measured what the psi dropped to. Not an ideal test but, I figured that all the cylinders were subjected to about the same variables and so, if one were leaking, it would show up different from the others.

Here are my results:

  1. 71/80 psi
  2. 73/80 psi
  3. 72/80 psi
  4. 72/80 psi

They are all within 1% of the average result. Am I correct that this means there isn't a major leaking issue with any of the cylinders?

I think I might have to pull the oil pan and check the rod bearings next, unless there's a better suggestion.


(EDIT6) Removal of Accessory Belts

Prompted by Anthony X's comment, I decided to test the engine with the accessories disconnected.

  • The A/C belt was already removed from a previous A/C compressor failure.
  • I removed the power steering belt.
  • I removed the alternator belt.

Those are the only belts visible in the engine compartment. I ran the engine with those belts removed and the engine sounded the same and ran the same with the same clicking noises. So, it isn't one of those accessories. I'll have to look up if there is anything else I can disconnect to test.

On to checking the rod bearings I suppose.

Back to the valve assembly for a second. If the valve controls and cams all function well and look good and the cylinders hold pressure well with a leak-down test, does this indicate that the valves are functioning properly or is there still something that could be wrong with the valves that would make the noise while they function correctly?

Seminecis
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Clicks and Knocks are really hard to determine without actually looking at the car itself. There are a lot of things that can cause them. Transmissions, AC, Valves, Exhausts, etc.

However I found a problem similar to yours on Honda-Tech that might be something to check. They appear to think it has something to do with the Engine Valves. I know you adjusted them but perhaps they need replacement here is the link I found.

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2740192

Hope that Helps

wmfrancia
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I was just at my mechanics getting an oil change on my 2003 crv any after the work was done I started up the car and bang a clicking noise. so with the oil being changed and air flter we figured it has to be one of the two, sre enough the hose that he had to remove that is attached to the engine and air filter was not replaced properly but before taking it off the air filter end which was wear the problem was coming from we decided to squeeze and moe it slighty and sure enough when we oved it into a certain position no more clicking, fixed!!! so maybe it was not air tight and the ecu could not read it properly was my mechanics reasoning I hope this very minor fix helps!!!!

frank
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Sounds a lot like lifter tap .or valve .does it get louder the more you run it or if you get on the a little bit.