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This question concerns a 2004 Subaru Outback with ~167,000 miles. All major and minor maintenance was performed (original owner car). Nonetheless, it has suffered rapid demise. How much of the following are age-related coincidences — or possible consequences of the car overheating due to a cracked radiator and a simultaneous head gasket failure?

As of this year:

Valve cover gasket (slight oil leak) Radiator cracks (plastic content cracked) Head gasket fails (belatedly appreciated as a known issue on some Subaru models) Car overheats and dies at a stop.

Repair: Replaced inoperable accessory fan, valve cover gasket, machined valves; head gaskets replaced, thermostat replaced, radiator replaced, motor mounts replaced, transmission mount replaced.

Less than 24 hours after receiving the car from repair, car fails at highway speed stranding spouse and myself on a freeway.

Repair: Six bent valves replaced. Shredded timing belt replaced. Stripped out bolt that holds the timing belt tensioner and a pulley repaired. Car passes compression test. Mechanic insists that tensioner, pulley, water pump and other components do not need to be replaced (car had had the belts, water pump, tensioner and the like replaced less than three years prior).

On day of pickup, the car began making a high pitch whine or whistle on acceleration to highway speed and seemed to be lagging when attempting to reach highway speed (RPM spikes). Upon exiting the car, burning odor and smoke was observed from the engine area. Car was again left with mechanic.

Diagnosis: Rack-and-pinion is leaking fluid onto the exhaust. Requires replacement. The high-pitch sound is emanating from the muffler, but shop says they don't know what's causing it.

One week later informed by shop that there is another noise upon acceleration. Drive shaft recommended for replacement. (Too much play causes a stutter sensation when accelerating from a stop.) Indeed, when we come back to test drive the car, there is a new problem present. (In addition, muffler noise is still present but not diagnosed.)

Current status: Muffler shop is performing a compression test. Concern is that the catalytic converter, which is less than three years old — because it was replaced under an unrelated Subaru recall! — is failing. Likely culprit from what we have read for why the car doesn't accelerate as well and emits a high pitch whistle is a failing cat (probable overheat consequence). Subaru says that the cat they installed was warrantied for only one year — so we are SOL on having them service it under any kind of CA emissions warranty.

In summary how much of the above is or is not related to the overheating that occurred with the radiator and head gasket failure — or the fact that the timing belt failed at highway speed immediately thereafter?

Given that we have had access to the car for less than one 24 hour period over the past seven weeks and numerous new problems have appeared, should we suspect any mishandling on the part of the mechanic — or chalk it up to bad luck?

Lastly, what other "shoe" may drop as a result of the overheat and belt breakage that we need to be on the lookout for? At issue is that we are over $2,000 into these repairs — having not yet completed the rack-and-pinion and drive-shaft replacement — and we'd like to know if we've seen the worst that can happen after the major failures indicated above. Is it likely we've seen the worst — or could it go from bad to worse?

LYNND
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Sorry for your situation, but this is one of those times when it's best to put the car out to grass. The car is 15 years old. I kept a Subaru running until 300,000, but there was always 'just one more thing' to repair on it.

For your car, the main issue is that the head gasket repair was bodged. They didn't get the timing correct - if your car was a DOHC model, that can be a pain to do (even with lots of experience, I sometimes have to reset and start again). A new timing belt should have been used, and all the ancillaries on the front of the engine should have been replaced. A stripped out tensioner pulley bolt is another indicator of a bodged job by (what @john meyers correctly calls) a parts-installer. "But they were only done 3 years ago!" - at the 105,000 mile service. Yes. However, if you're taking the front of the engine off, it's cheap insurance.

To answer your question about what other shoe will drop;

The engine has had a timing failure. It will never be the same again. It sounds like your mechanic isn't a Subaru specialist, and he isn't up to the job. The cheaper solution would have been a replacement engine - but we're past that now. You'll never fully get rid of the oil leaks; if a Subaru that old doesn't leak oil, your car is out of oil. You have a bad driveshaft - that's one out of three. The others are the same age and mileage, so will follow the first in a year or so. You'll lose the passenger side rear wheel bearing (which is a pig to replace. Your mechanic will break something else while in there). The rubber bushings in the suspension arms will be going out - they last about as long as the engine mounts. You've probably already found out that all four tires need to be replaced at the same time.

Old Subarus are great cars if you want to work on them yourself and learn about car mechanics. You'll learn a LOT (just because you'll be working on it a lot). But if you pay someone else to do the work, they're money pits. Drop the car and move on.

Oh, your mysterious rattle. It's the thin metal heat-shields on the exhaust. Put a clamp around them to stop the noise. Don't remove them - they stop the car from causing fires if you park on grass.

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I concur with user9181; I would add a suggestion of having a non-dealership mechanic render a second opinion. As noted, redecking the heads requires removal of the timing belt, and on reassembly it is easy for an inexperienced parts-changer (oops, I meant “mechanic”) to install it incorrectly. a new timing belt should always be used. if the alignment of the teeth is off by even one, the valves and pistons will be out of sync. if lucky, the engine will make noises and run poorly, but more typically you will damage valves and pistons (the piston head will make contact with the valves).

It is also possible that your catalytic converter was damaged by coolant escaping into the exhaust by way of the leaking head gasket.

New drive shaft? I’m skeptical. From a practical standpoint, I wouldn’t sink a lot more money into this vehicle.

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The head gaskets on these engine are known failure items even without an overheat condition. The valve cover gasket leak is a given on Subaru boxer engines. They all need this. I'm suspicious of the job they did on the head gasket repair. They had to remove the timing belt to do the heads. If the belt was in good condition, it should not have shredded if they job was done properly. At this point, if the shop determines the engine is bad, put a bullet in it and cut your losses.

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I had head gasket failure on my 2003 Subaru Forester and the head got warped. I sent it off for redecking and there was a section of the head that wasn't redecked. Subaru doesn't give much extra material for future redeckings and it made for a very small seal. I had owned the car since it rolled off the dealer's lot, but after getting the engine back in the car and replacing all the necessary parts, I sold it. I'd suggest you sell this and get a car with less issues.

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This is a 15-year-old car that Kelly Blue Book values at about $500 as a trade-in, even if it was running well. At some point you have to realize that although it was a fine vehicle in the past it is no longer a fine vehicle. This vehicle is past the point of diminishing returns. Just say bye-bye, find a local charity that takes old cars and donate it, and get yourself another vehicle that'll be reliable.

I just went through this with a Toyota Sienna - had a head gasket job done, then the tranny went south a couple months later. I'm slowly (I'm 62 :-) learning that as soon as a car needs major repairs (i.e. serious engine or tranny issues) it's time to say bye-bye to the formerly nice car and get a better one.