How to set the value of bleeder resistor to dicharge 10kV capacitor, which has capacitance value of \$5\mu\$F?
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2That's a huge capacitor. Got a photo? – ntoskrnl Aug 28 '14 at 07:38
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250J energy storage. What's it for? Laser, exploding wire detonator, rail gun, can crusher...? – Aug 28 '14 at 08:42
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3Sounds like a defibrillator cap - just connect a patient :-). – Russell McMahon Aug 28 '14 at 09:39
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No way to help you unless you say what you're using the capacitor for. – Scott Seidman Aug 28 '14 at 12:21
2 Answers
The relation between momentary voltage across the cap \$V(t)\$, the resistance used for discharge \$R\$, the initial voltage \$V_0\$ and the capacity \$C\$ is as follows:
$$V(t) = V_0e^{-\frac{t}{RC}}$$
Lower \$R\$ will give you a faster time to reach a safe voltage, say below 100V. The problem with this is, that the bleeder resistor will constantly drain current from your power source and turn it into heat. Assuming we want to reach 100V within the first 10 seconds of power-off. Solving the above equation for \$R\$ yields:
$$R=\frac{t}{\ln(V_0/V)C}$$
Then we'll need a resistor equal to or higher less than 440kOhm.
It will dissipate a power equal to $$(10\,\text{kV})^2/440\,\text{k}\Omega \approx 230\,\text{W} $$
Oops, that's alot. Can your power supply give 230W just for the bleeder? From this simple calculation you can see that making this PS safe after power-off won't be easy (let alone during power-on, but that's off-topic).
Thus my suggestions:
- Use a lower-value switched resistor (~500kOhm or less), which, under normal power-down conditions, discharges the caps quickly. You might get away with peak power ratings for the resistor instead of continuous power ratings here. (see HV switching)
- Use something on the order of 13MOhm as permanent bleeder, that'll give you around 5 Minutes discharge if anything goes wrong with the switched bleeder.
- If any high voltage is accessible from outside, add a signal (e.g. an LED) to make sure the user is aware of the fact that there's still a dangerous voltage. This LED should also be on in normal power-on operation.
- Add a similar signal to the board itself, incase someone is working on it with opened case (most probably you).
Using yourself as a bleeder for 10kV in 5µF will kill you.
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134 uF 5100V. Defibrillator cap !!!!. Only kills you if you are alive. Alive's you if you are dead (hopefully). – Russell McMahon Aug 28 '14 at 09:40
just keep it high enough that it doesn't draw much current from the line during normal operation,, for 10KV line 10Mohm should be good,it would dissipate 10W and discharge the capacitor in almost 3 minutes,
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