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For the purpose of 401k retirement planning, suppose:

  1. An individual has 20 working years left.
  2. Upon retiring, the individual wants to withdraw $60k per year (in today's dollars) from a nest egg for 30 years.

Assuming the 3% rule, a $2 million nest egg would last for 30 years? But that's $2 million in today's dollars. How do I estimate what the monthly contribution should be to build this nest egg over 20 years?

Do you reduce the predicted annual rate of return by inflation or do you increase the minimum size of the nest egg?

I've seen multiple articles and blogs that say the average return of the stock market is 10% over 30 years (citation needed). I assume this doesn't include inflation?

Chris W. Rea
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It’s easiest just to ignore inflation and do all of your planning in 2018 dollars, looking at real returns rather than nominal returns on your investments. But don’t forget that you then have to increase your monthly contributions each year by the rate of inflation — they can’t be a fixed nominal amount. So your $2 million in twenty years will probably be closer to $3 million in 2038 dollars when you come to retire.

Mike Scott
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You can use formulas presented here: https://money.stackexchange.com/a/94307/11768

First calculating the size of the pension fund required.

p = ((1 + i)^o (1 + m)^-n ((1 + i)^n - (1 + m)^n) w)/(i - m)  (formula 2)

where

n is the number of payments to be received
o is the number of the period at the end of which the first payment is received
w is the payment amount
m is the pension fund's periodic rate of return
i is the periodic inflation rate

With the following criteria

  • time now is start of year 1
  • final payment into pension pot at the end of year 20
  • first retirement payment received at end of year 21
  • final retirement payment received at end of year 50, totaling 30 payments

For example, with fund interest at 3% pa and inflation at 2% pa.

n = 30
o = 21
w = 60000
m = 0.03
i = 0.02

p = ((1 + i)^o (1 + m)^-n ((1 + i)^n - (1 + m)^n) w)/(i - m) = 2307538

Upon final payment into the fund, at the end of year 20, the fund should total $2307538 to support 30 subsequent payments of $60000 at today's value.

The first payment received, at the end of year 21, will be $90940, and the final payment, at the end of year 50, will be $161495.

w (1 + i)^21 =  90940
w (1 + i)^50 = 161495

Calculating monthly payments into the fund

Formula 4 is designed to expect an immediate first payment, i.e. at the start of period 1, and thereafter for q further periods, with the payments increasing to offset inflation.

d = ((i - m) p)/((1 + i)^(1 + q) - (1 + m)^(1 + q))           (formula 4)

where

d is the initial payment amount
m is the pension fund's periodic rate of return
i is the periodic inflation rate
q is the number of payment periods

The period is now monthly so converting interest and inflation.

m = (1 + 0.03)^(1/12) - 1 = 0.00246627
i = (1 + 0.02)^(1/12) - 1 = 0.00165158
q = 20*12 = 240

d = ((i - m) p)/((1 + i)^(1 + q) - (1 + m)^(1 + q)) = 5835.30

The first payment at the start of month 1 should be $5835.30.

There are 241 payments in this scheme.

The payments increase like so

end of month 1:     d (1 + i)     = 5844.94
end of month 2:     d (1 + i)^2   = 5854.59
end of month 3:     d (1 + i)^3   = 5864.26
. . .
end of month 240:   d (1 + i)^240 = 8670.95

Alternatively, for 241 equal payments (also starting immediately) a simpler formula can be used

g = (m p)/((1 + m)^(1 + q) - 1) = 7021.04
Chris Degnen
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I use a spreadsheet. The basics are simple. Each row is a year.

For your working years:

  • Use today's current income and a reasonable guess for inflation to model how your income will change each year. Assume you slightly outpace inflation.

  • For the 401-K/IRA set a dollar figure or percentage for each year. Keep in mind there are annual limits for these funds.

  • Estimate the rate of growth. 7% to 10% seems to be the range. I suggest using the lower number.

At the moment of retirement:

  • Set a percentage of your final years income that you need to replace.

  • Get an estimate from the Social security administration for an estimate of your monthly benefit at different ages of retirement. They update their numbers each year.

  • The rest is from retirement funds.

For the retirement years:

  • Don't forget inflation.

  • your investments might be more conservative so a lower estimated growth may be in order.

Then play with the numbers. See what make sense and is achievable.

Review your progress every few years, or when your situation changes.

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First, I don't know why you suggest 3%, the typical 'number' used is 4%. For an annual withdrawal of $60K, you need $1.5M in retirement savings. Next, assuming that while working, you earned $80K (a reasonable guess, based on the desired $60K/yr at retirement), you'd see about $25K from Social Security, and only need $35K/yr to make up the difference. $875K to produce a $35K withdrawal at 4%/yr.

I have a blog post from 2014 titled, The Number, where you can download the spreadsheet mhoran suggests, or at least the saving portion of one.

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